"Proclaim Peace" Season 2, Episode 19 // Peacemaking 101 (From Restore), With Patrick Mason
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In this special episode, we are sharing Patrick Mason’s workshop at the Restore event hosted by Faith Matters in September 2026. He explains why conflict is normal, why contention is different from conflict, and how to start building a peacemaking toolkit instead of avoiding hard conversations altogether.
In this session, Patrick also invites listeners to think about one real conflict in their own life and begin with the first small step. The focus is not on solving everything at once, but on learning the language, methods, and inner habits that make peace possible.
Chapters
(00:09) Why peacemaking matters
(05:14) Peacemaking 101: where to start
(09:01) Reframing conflict as an opportunity
(16:17) Seeing people as people
(20:19) Choosing your theory of change
(26:44) Cultivating inner peace
Transcript
Patrick Mason (00:09)
I'm excited to be with you here today. I love this weekend. Restore is one of my favorite weekends of the year. and I'm so excited to be here talking a little bit about peacemaking.
And so we'll see what we can do over the next few minutes together. So, you know, I think over the last few years, this has become a term that we use a lot within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Other Christian traditions have used this a lot for a long time. In some ways, we're we're playing catch-up a little bit as Latter-day Saints. And of course, the sources for this go all the way back. We can find beautiful sources on peace building in the Hebrew Bible. One of my favorite, of course, is in Isaiah, which we which we just studied together as.
Part of the Come Follow Me curriculum. This beautiful, beautiful prophecy in Isaiah chapter 2, that in the last days the people would come to the mountain of the Lord's house, which we understand to be the temple, that they would come, that they would want to learn of God's ways, that he would judge between the nations, settle disputes for many peoples, that people would beat their swords into plowshares, their spears into pruning hooks. When people come,
To the temple, when people come to Zion in the last days, will we be prepared as peacemakers with a message of peace? This is what they're supposed to learn when they come to the mountain of the Lord's house. Are we prepared to share that? Of course, what the Savior says: blessed are the peacemakers.
Of all the Beatitudes, this one comes last, well, right before being persecuted, maybe being a peacemaker. there's there's some relationship to being persecuted. but all everything else before that, blessed are the pure in heart, blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, all of those blessed are the meek, right? These are all conditions of the heart. And so all of those things prepare us now.
What is the one thing that Jesus charges us to do to go out into the world in terms of the Beatitudes is to go out into the world as peacemakers. So once we've conditioned our heart, then we're prepared to do this. So we hear this from the Old Testament, we hear it from the New Testament, we hear it from modern prophets. I think President Nelson, one of the great hallmarks of his presidency, was to ground us in peacemaking as one of the fundamental responsibilities, not just an optional thing, not something on the menus, not the ice cream at the end if you want it, right?
But this is the fundamental meat and potatoes, what it means to follow Jesus. If we say we're the Church of Jesus Christ, if we say we're the people of Jesus, it means that we have to follow the way of Jesus. And the way of Jesus is the way of peace. And so President Nelson reminded us of this over and over and over again. In fact, the very closing things that he said to the church, his final message. I don't know how much of it, you know, he had to know that like mortality was running a little short. I mean, the guy was not a spring chicken, right?
So I'm sure every general conference there is this sense of what are my parting words? What do I want to share with the church? And consistently over and over and over again.
It was to be peacemakers. We hear this from the General Relief Society presidency. President Johnson recently, just this summer, centered peacemaking in the work of the Relief Society, in the work of what we do together and what the work of the women of the church do. And of course, President Oaks. So I don't know how many of you saw, so he was in Washington, D.C. last week at the National Cathedral. I was privileged to be there. This is my very bad amateur photography with heads in the way and stuff. So so we were sitting in the trams, the glowing figure. That's just just it's just like the way the lights worked, but whatever, right? Beautiful rose window sta stained glass window in the back. And this is the message that he gave. Again, like when he goes to the nation's capital, this is the first time a president of the church has ever spoken in the National Cathedral.
Right? This is the place where presidents go when they get inaugurated and stuff like this, right? The first time a president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has ever spoken to him, what did he choose to speak about? Peacemaking. He talked about the Constitution. He talked about that the Constitution, its fundamental ideal at the heart of the Constitution is peacemaking.
This was his message. He's talked about it in general conference multiple times as well. So this is the message we hear over and over and over again. But my sense, and and and with Chad Ford, as we've started to do this work with Waymakers and go out and do trainings with people, we were in Washington, D.C. last week doing a training at the Temple Visitor Center. And one of the sense that we get, especially among our fellow Latter-day Saints, is that Latter-day Saints have been converted to the principle of peacemaking. We have a heart for it.
And Oaks, all the other leaders, of course, Jesus has has has tilled the ground for us and planted the seeds of peacemaking in our hearts. And so what we see among our fellow Latter-day Saints, as well as people of faith and people of goodwill elsewhere, is a desire for peace. We're sick of the culture of contempt, we're sick of all of the polarization, we're sick of all the conflict, you know, this polarized conflict that we see all around us. And so what do we do about it, right? So peacemaking is the message. I think it's the prophetic message for.
Our day. But what I find for a lot of people is like, okay, I'm converted to the principle. Now what do I do? Right?
And so one of the things that we're trying to do with Waymakers, and we're so grateful for our partnership with Faith Matters, is to provide some trainings, to provide some skills. So that's what I want to do today. That's why we call it Peacemaking 101, is a sense of like, okay, I've been converted to the principle of peacemaking. How do I start? Where do I go from here? And I want you to think about this in your life, right? Is there a conflict in your life that is not what you want it to be? Is there a relationship that you have with a family member, a friend, a ward member, a coworker, somebody across the street who has political signs you don't like, right? Whatever it is, what is the conflict in your life that is nagging at you right now. And I want you to keep that in your mind, keep that in your heart as we move forward.
Okay, so a lot of you will know that that I co-host a podcast called Proclaim Peace with Jennifer Walker Thomas. This is a production of Waymakers and Mormon Women for Ethical Government. Okay? So we start every episode by asking our guests this question: what is peace? I want you to pull out your phones if you choose to. I'm not gonna compel you to. This is a peaceful place, okay? But I invite you to pull this up.
And scan that code and just enter in. What is your definition of peace? And this should start populating your brilliant answers.
It's amazing as J Jen and I are are now towards the end of season two. we've done dozens of episodes, and every guest we bring on has a different definition and different insight about peace. I love this steadiness, communion, connection, void of conflict, freedom of fear fear, calm, contentment, calm spirit and heart, honesty with kindness. I love that. Dignity and respect, being like Christ, the absence of contention.
This is great. I'm gonna be like copying and paste this, and I'll I don't know, I'll write a book based on all of your answers or something like that. So I'll just steal all your ideas. I love all of this. Look at this as it comes in, and and you can see up top kind of as some of these concepts sort of coalescing together. Choosing to feel love and connection. I love that. Feeling God's gentle love, integrity. This is amazing. Okay? So we have a sense.
Right? A sense of well-being, no contention, right? I love all of this. Okay? So we have a sense of what peace is and what we want, and what we want from it. But how do we do it? President Oaks, in his last general conference talk on Easter Sunday, called Alive in Christ. Remember the last third of that talk, he focused on peacemaking. the first part of it was his witness of the resurrection and atonement, and then he focused on peacemaking. And what did he say? He said that if we're gonna be peacemakers, I think he sensed this as well, right? Okay, we've been teaching peacemaking for a while now, and so if we're gonna do this, we have to learn the language and the methods of peacemakers.
So that's what I want to do today. So I can't teach you everything in the next 30 minutes. Okay. I remember when I when we were first married, I got a a toolkit, something like this. Maybe you've seen this. It was probably a $20 gift that somebody gave us. I still have it. my mom, who's here on the front row, can attest to like how handy I am or not. I I blame my dad. I barely know how to use like half of the things in here, okay? This is not a toolkit that can do everything, you can't renovate an entire home, you probably can't, do an entire bathroom. But you can do a few things with this toolkit. And I still pull it out and badly hang pictures and and and do things that so I want you to think about today as a starter toolkit.
I'm gonna talk about four tools, four aspects of the language and methods of peacemakers that I hope to share with you today. that you can start to build as part of your beginners toolkit here. So I wanna talk about each of these things in turn. Okay, next little thing I want you to participate in. Okay, so another pull this up with your phone, I'll get out of the way. When you think of the word conflict.
I want you to do immediate word association. What is the first word that comes to mind? If it's the person's name sitting next to you, don't list that. Okay? Go to your second thing on your list. Okay? First word that comes to mind when you say when you think of conflict.
Let's see what comes up. A lot of anger, fighting, misunderstanding, disagreements, uncomfortable, contention, scary, stomach ache. I like that. I get that too, actually. I I resonate with the stomach ache. Variety, storm. interesting. This kind of like image of a storm, turmoil. Okay? Healthy, interesting. Opportunity.
So these are not all kind of negative things. Progress, interesting. Suffocation, right? Isn't that interesting? Some of these answers are kind of like a physical reaction. Then and there is, there's lots of research on this, how there's a physiologic people experience a physio physiological reaction to conflict. This is really, really interesting.
There have been lots of studies about this, where where people do studies about people's conflict styles. There's kind of four general conflict styles, different different studies group them a little bit differently. And the number one conflict style across all cultures, I mean, this this is this seems to be like a universal human thing, as close to it as as there is. The number one conflict style, can you guess what it is?
Avoidance, by far, okay? And and I like to think, as Latter-day Saints, we have a lot of gifts, we have a lot of things we're really good at. Conflict avoidance, we are A plus conflict avoiders. Like it is a spiritual, if it is a spiritual gift, we have it in spades, right? that is my primary conflict style as well. So this is not like me pointing the finger. This that this is very much me. I get the stomach ache.
I feel uncomfortable, I get sweaty, all of these kinds of things. I would much prefer to avoid it, right? This has been something that I've been working on over the last several years, right? And so we avoid it. That turns into lots of like passive-aggressive Well, why do we avoid it? Well, it's uncomfortable for all these things. One of the first things that we have to learn when we learn the language and methods of peacemakers is to normalize conflict.
Yes, conflict can be scary. Yes, it can be all those things that we just saw on that word cloud.
But few things are just essential to understand that in a world of people as beautiful as you all are, we're also very different, right? We have different talents, we have different skills, we have different fears, we have different experiences, we have different hopes, we have different dreams and different things that terrify us. And we rub up against each other and we hurt each other, we harm each other even when we don't intend to. It is simply natural.
In a world of difference, that conflict will be here. This is not a bug in the system, it is a feature of the system. Life only exists. We know this from 2 Nephi chapter 2. Life only exists because there's opposition in all things, because there is conflict. Conflict wasn't something that came up in the Garden of Eden as part of the fall. Conflict was there from the very beginning. How do you get creation? How do you get the world? Well, you get the world because you have the difference between light and dark.
You have a difference between water and land. You have a difference between animals and plants. All of this is conflict. Every day of creation is God introducing conflict into the cosmos. And he culminates in men and women. Right? Okay? A few chuckles there, okay? But this is all beauty. This is part of the plan. It is not.
Part of the fall. It is part of the plan. It is the only way we grow. It is the only way we learn. It is the only way we become godly, is by having conflict introduced into our life and then learning how to engage it constructively. Now, Latter-day Saints, I think one of the reasons we're A-plus conflict avoiders is because of that scripture in 3rd Nephi 11. Contention is of the devil, okay?
Jesus had just come in, he shows up, right, everybody's like, it's amazing, okay? And the first thing, it's like they're arguing about baptism, right? He comes into this thing about conflict, right? I would still be worried about like all the people buried under the rubble, okay? But but they're they're arguing about baptism, okay? and and he comes in. He does not say conflict is of the devil. He does not say difference is of the devil.
He does not say diversity is of the devil. Why not? Because he created all those things. He introduced all those things into creation. Difference. Diversity. Conflict. But what does he specifically say? What is the difference between conflict and contention? Contention is when we engage conflict with, according to Jesus, in 3 Nephi 11, with anger, one towards another, with contempt.
for one another, when we cannot engage that diversity, that difference, that conflict, when we cannot use it constructively, when we cannot channel it, when we cannot build a canal for that to for that water to flow in productive ways, it can be destructive.
This is what Jesus is saying that he doesn't want us to do. It's not get rid of conflict, it's get rid of engaging conflict with anger, with contempt, with hostility, with enmity towards the other person. That is, he says, of the devil. Because conflict is this creative force, as I said, right? my my my friend Judge Tom Griffith says,
I never want to be part of any institution where decisions are made that are not a result of conflict. Right? I don't want to be part of a ward council where there weren't different ideas voiced before a decision was made. I don't want to be part of a marriage where the husband and wife can't fully and freely express their opinions, different as they might be, even if they're antithetical, with it before they move forward and find a way to move forward, right?
The the conflict is actually at its best. It is this creative force in our life. I love this quote by John Paul Lederach he's a leading Mennonite peacemaker. We just had him on the podcast. he's amazing. He was one of my mentors and professors. And he says he talks about conflict as this moment of opportunity. He talks about it like the continental divide, right? Where water is gonna flow towards one shore or the other.
And he said, conflict is a moment like you're on the precipice of the continental divide. And now you're gonna decide which way is the water gonna flow? Is it gonna flow towards the shore of fear or the shore of love? When it flows towards fear, the relationship is defined by recrimination and blame, self-justification and protection, violence and the desire for victory over the other. That's one shore. We can do that, but that's what Jesus calls contention. Or in that moment of conflict, diversity.
Difference. We can choose to flow the water towards love. Defined by openness, accountability, self-reflection, vulnerability, mutual respect, dignity, and the proactive engagement of the other. So one of the first things when we learn the languages and the methods of peacemakers is to normalize conflict. This is hard. I've been working on this for decades. It's still hard for me. I still get the pit in my stomach. I still get sweaty when I have an argument with Melissa, right? It's still not easy.
But I think I'm getting a little bit better. This is so this is one of the tools that we can work on. Okay, the second thing, second tool in the toolkit is to see people as people. I want to show a little video clip here from one of my favorite shows on Netflix, Derry Girls. I don't know if I can recommend it broadly. It's Irish people speaking like Irish people. So there are some words that, a lot of words that we don't use in church, okay? but I chose a clip where there are none of those words. So this is G-rated. So Derry Girls takes place in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, during during that that time of of of really pronounced and often violent conflict between Catholics and Protestants. This scene is a scene where this group of Catholic schoolgirls has been brought together with a group of Protestant school boys
For a kind of peace and reconciliation event. Okay, so this is where the so these Catholic schools, Protestant schoolboys, and it's gonna be led by this priest, this very well-intentioned priest who's gonna bring them all together in love and peace and harmony, Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland. Okay, we'll s we'll see how this goes.
So it's it's rather easy to see people as objects or as positions, right? And it's actually the easiest thing to do. Our our brains are wired to do this. It's actually a survival technique for us to be able to distinguish difference, friends from enemies, danger from comfort, right? This is actually a really important survival skill that our brains do. This is one of the things, again, that we have to channel, not necessarily resist because it's a it's a valuable impulse.
But we have to think about channeling it in ways that are gonna be productive towards peacemaking and not simply reducing somebody. It's the easiest thing to do. It comes so naturally to us, as soon as we're in conflict. it's one of the things that I try to notice immediately when I'm in conflict with another person, is that my first impulse is to reduce them to the last thing they said, to a position that they took, to a memory that I have of something they did about me, to the sign in their yard, to the the clothing that they wear. we we it's so easy to reduce people, individually or as groups, to positions, to objects, to enemies. Jesus has this great story in the New Testament, where a blind man comes to him, begs him to touch him. Jesus takes the blind man by the hand, leads him out of the village, and when he had put saliva on us, this is one of the stranger miracles, he lays his hands on him, he says, Can you see anything?
So this man had been blind. He couldn't see anything. And now, with the beginning of this process, he looks around and he says, I can see people, but they look like trees walking. So as we get better at this, we can start to see people as people, but sometimes we just start to see them as objects. So Jesus lays his hands on his eyes again and he looked intently, and his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.
Sometimes when we're in conflict, we need Jesus to lay his hands on our eyes, not once, but twice, and maybe a third time or a fourth time. That we go from being totally blind to the needs of another person, to their personhood, to their dignity, to their humanity, to then starting to see them, but in a way that they're just an object. We reduce them, they're a tree walking.
And so then we invite God to lay his hands on our eyes again. And we look intently. It takes intentionality, it takes purpose sometimes when we're in conflict with all of the things that are going on in our brain, all the chemicals firing for us, you know, firing around. It it we want to make these distinctions. We want to do the friend-enemy, ain you know, danger versus versus comfort. We want to do this, and it takes looking intently for us to be able to get through that, to be able to see.
Clearly. One of my favorite, also a great video clip that you can pull up. I won't take the time to do it right now. Ted Lasso also contains a lot of non-church language. But he has this great scene where he where kind of his motto is to be curious, not judgmental. That is the the dean of my college. We were talking about a conflict recently between faculty and all these things. And he says, I just have to tell myself.
Be curious, not judgmental, right? This is a pretty good mantra to take through life: to be curious, not judgmental.
Okay, the next thing that we talk a lot about, especially in the academic study of peace, but I think it's very useful to think about in our practical approach to it, is what we call a theory of change. We all want to change the world. We all want the world to be a better place. When we're in conflict, we have ideas about the ways that we want the world to change. Usually it has to do with the things that the other person could change, right?
So we all have it, we all have, we all want to be changemakers in the world. So in peacemaking, part of the language and the methods of peacemakers is to be intentional and thoughtful about our theory of change. Here's what I mean by this: three different aspects of this. First of all, vocation. In the church, we talk about callings all the time, right? In the church, we receive callings, they're basically just assignments or jobs. Here I'm talking about vocation in a different way, calling in a different way.
What is God calling you to? Vocation comes from the Latin word vocare, to call. So your vocation is not your job, although it might overlap. Your vocation is what you feel called to. Who do you feel called to? Where do you feel called to? This is not what somebody else has called you to. This is not what your boss's work has called you to.
It's not what your bishop has called you to. It's not the list of tasks that you have to do that your kids are asking you to do. In your inner heart, what is God calling you to do today, tomorrow, next week? Now, this might be when we think about the conflicts in our lives, the conflict you might be thinking about. Probably most of us most of the time are working on a kind of individual or interpersonal level, right?
But we can also, this occurs at the community level, at the national level, the global level, whatever level you feel called to do peacemaking. If you feel called to do something about the war in Ukraine, go do it. If you feel called to do something about our national politics, go do it. Join an organization, a pro-democracy, pro-civil society organization, you know, where you can team up with other people to bring peacemaking into the civil sphere, right?
If you feel called in your community, whether that's in a political sense, running for local office, whether it's within your ward, our wards are sometimes the places of some of the greatest divides and fractures. Can you be a peacemaker in your ward? Can you be a peacemaker in your neighborhood, in your workplace? Whatever you feel called to do, I ask you to think about a conflict that's that's in your heart and your mind right now. where is that located?
So the first thing is where, who, and what am I called to do? The second is so we have vocation, we also have location. What is your relationship to that conflict? How are you gonna think about how you're gonna bring about change, how you're gonna bring about peaceful change in that conflict? Is this more of an inside-out thing that you're gonna be part of a group that you care about a lot, but that you see a lot of conflict within?
And you want to bring greater peace and you're gonna do it from the inside. Are you part of groups or you can't be part of groups anymore? But do you see that they're necessary? And so you're you're outside of this, but you're gonna help on the inside, not in some kind of imperial way or judgy way, but but maybe especially if you're involved in global peace building or something like that, if you care about, Israel and Palestine or something like that. You're not from there, but you want to help. So do you have an outside in?
Perspective? Are you on the edge of the inside? Some of the best peacemakers are somewhere on the edge. They're part of a group, but they're on the edge, and they can see things, and they're helping to lead and steer from what we call the edge of the inside. So, what is your location? And then also, what is your time horizon? Peacemakers have to be very thoughtful and think about this. Am I talking about a conflict that needs to be solved today?
Where I need to call somebody up today, where when I go home today, I need to have a conversation because it because it is urgent. That conflict is is ruining our relationship. And I I it is on my heart that I need to address that today. Is this something that probably isn't gonna be transformed today, but I want to start working on this is a matter of days and weeks and months? Is this more of a long-term thing? Because I recognize these things are complex. I need to team up with other people and we're gonna attack this together. It's not gonna get solved tomorrow.
Is this generational? I'm an educator, I'm a professor. If if if you're an educator, you have to believe in generational change, right? That the things I'm teaching, yes, they're helping my students today, but I'm also hoping that they're gonna help them when they raise their kids and when they go out into the world. And that in education, we're always playing the long game. That is a theory of change. It just means I'm not changing the world today so much as I'm changing it for the next generation. All of these are viable.
But one of the things, one of the hard things about peacemaking is that once your heart is conditioned towards it, once you have a heart of compassion, a heart of empathy, a heart of care, one of the first things you see is all the things that you're not doing. All the conflicts that you're not transforming, all the ways that despite your best efforts, things are not going the way that you want.
All the ways that that because I choose this theory of change, it means I'm not doing something else. I am more of, as I said, as an educator, I work for generational change. In terms of of other other kinds of change within institutions and organizations, I'm generally an inside-out guy. I'm generally a gradualist that says, hey, let's work on this gradually. Other people are are more immediate, hey, we gotta solve this now. They're more radical, they're more revolutionary, just temperamentally, the way my mom raised me.
I'm just more of a gradualist. And I think there there's reasons for that. I can give arguments and justifications for why I'm a gradualist and why I'm an institutionalist and why I believe in generational change. But when I say that, I know that all of my my efforts towards long-term change, there's people who are suffering right now today. Right? Who need immediate change, who need urgency, who need that kind of radical.
Immediate peacemaking, that that's not so much what I'm wired for. So I'm grateful for other people whose theory of change is different than mine. One theory of change is not better than the other. They're overlapping, they're complementary. No one person does it all, right? But be mindful of that and just say, okay, I do feel called to the urgency of now. I am a out in the streets marching like you know, power to the people type person, and I appreciate that somebody else is working from the inside out and it's more of an institutionalist.
One of the biggest problems with peacemaking is when peacemakers are at war with each other. All right? And it happens all the time. Happens all the time because we think our theory of change is the only or the best theory of change. When we can learn to make peace with other people's theory of change, that makes us more effective peacemakers.
The last thing I want to share is the importance of cultivating inner peace. And in some ways, this can sound really trite, it can sound really simple, but the older I get, the more seriously I take this. I love this quote from the Buddhist monk Thich Nat Han: that if we are not peaceful, we cannot share peace. So as we come to a conclusion, the way we always close our podcast.
Is the way that I want to close our conversation. We always ask every guest at the end, where and how do you find peace? So where do you find peace? When you need to cultivate that inner peace in your life, where do you go? What do you do? What does that look like for you? Sometimes it's helpful to hear what other people do and say, hey, maybe I'll try that out too. You find it at home, within nature, with hymns, music.
Lot of nature. Pausing, be nice to your cats. That's nice. The temple. in the temple and the mountains. Writing. I love that. Samwise Gamgee I don't know what that means, but I love it. Petting a dog.
This is amazing. This is part of the intentionality of peacemaking too. When we feel that conflict, when we feel the storm within, and look at other people because sometimes they say, I need to try that too. I need to pet a dog today, what can I do to cultivate peace so that I can share it with other people? This is where peace begins.
This is why Jesus and the Beatitudes begins with all those characteristics, begins with the inner work, begins with the heart work. Because the heart work prepares us to do the hard work of peacemaking. But we have to cultivate that inner peace. We have to work on it. it doesn't mean that we're always all gonna be completely serene. But if we neglect that, it comes at the expense of our ability to serve and minister to other people.
So this is just a beginning, right? There's so much more to do. There's so much more to learn. I wanna end with this. This is called Peacemaking 101 Where to Start. I love this poem by David White. Start close in. Don't take the second step or the third. Start with the first thing close in. And I hate this line. The step you don't want to take.
So if you thought of a conflict today, a person, a relationship, a web of relationships that you're a part of, and that came to your mind and then you dismissed it because you're like, that's too hard, I don't want to do that. David White says, that's where you need to start. Don't worry about the second step or the third step. Don't worry if you falter on the first step. Peacemakers are made, not born. We get better with practice. We do it over and over and over again.
But we start close in, take the first step, and then the second step. A few re resources for you to continue if you want to learn. At Waymakers, we're trying to build a community of peacemakers. We would love to have you join us. I'd love to have you subscribe and listen to the Proclaim Peace Podcast. There is so much wisdom. I can't believe the guests we've had on there and the things I've learned over the past couple of years as we've recorded this. And then if you really want to do this in a formal way, both Chad Ford and I teach up at the Utah State University and the Haravi Peace Institute.
We have a new graduate certificate, nine credits, three different courses that are open to anybody. A lot of it is online, where you can actually go deep. we had 40 minutes today. Here you get whole semesters to go deep and to practice the language and the methods of peacemakers. The fact that you're here, you've already taken the first step. Let's go do this together because we are called. If if if we want the world to come to us, we've got to have something to offer them. And I think the thing that Jesus is asking us to offer the world today in 2026 is more peace. So thanks for joining me on the journey. Thanks for being here.
Jennifer Thomas (30:26)
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Patrick Mason (30:40)
"Proclaim Peace" is a partnership between MWEG and Waymakers. You can learn more about Waymakers at waymakers.us. Thanks again for listening and we'll see you next time.
